{"id":23032,"date":"2022-07-06T14:06:13","date_gmt":"2022-07-06T14:06:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/?p=23032"},"modified":"2023-12-18T11:16:37","modified_gmt":"2023-12-18T11:16:37","slug":"is-the-belfast-derry-londonderry-train-no-quicker-than-it-was-during-victorian-times%ef%bf%bc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/articles\/is-the-belfast-derry-londonderry-train-no-quicker-than-it-was-during-victorian-times%ef%bf%bc\/","title":{"rendered":"Is the Belfast-Derry\/Londonderry train no quicker than it was during Victorian times?\ufffc"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>On <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/programmes\/m00181g9\">BBC Radio Ulster\u2019s show Talkback<\/a> on June 9, during a discussion about the impact of Brexit and EU funding on Northern Ireland, Dr Ben Habib said:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;I feel really bad for Northern Ireland. When I think of the difficulties Northern Ireland faces, all I have to think about is the time it takes to go by train from Londonderry to Belfast. A trip of 70 miles takes 2 hours 20 minutes. That&#8217;s the same speed at which trains travelled in Victorian times.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This isn\u2019t correct.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to timetables from July 1900, the quickest time for a train to get from Derry\/Londonderry to Belfast was 2hrs 55mins. This is 43 minutes longer than today\u2019s trains, which take 2hrs 12mins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The journey, both then and now, follows around 95 miles of rail track.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, while the overall route may be similar, one thing has changed a lot: the number of stops.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li><strong>Timetables<\/strong><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>This check looks at the times different trains take to travel between Derry\/Londonderry and Belfast, including all stops. It is not a simple comparison of the top speeds of modern and Victorian trains. Considering the average speed over a given journey, including stops, makes more sense &#8211; because this reflects the experience of passengers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Given that the length of the track between the two cities is around 95 miles, and the two journey times cited above &#8211; 2hrs 55mins in 1900; 2hrs 12mins today &#8211; a simple calculation (speed = distance\/time) gives the following average speeds:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1900: <strong>32 MILES PER HOUR<\/strong><br>2021: <strong>43 MILES PER HOUR<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"553\" height=\"332\" src=\"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-23033\" srcset=\"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12.png 553w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12-300x180.png 300w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12-65x39.png 65w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12-150x90.png 150w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12-75x45.png 75w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.54.12-67x40.png 67w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 553px) 100vw, 553px\" \/><figcaption><em>Images Courtesy of National Museums Northern Ireland<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>However, that\u2019s not the whole story. Because, in Victorian times, there were generally a lot more stops.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li><strong>Context<\/strong><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The Derry\/Londonderry to Belfast train route was linked up in 1852, bridging the final connection between Coleraine and Derry\/Londonderry that broadly encompasses the same route of the train track today in 2022. While the route is largely the same, the number of stops differs widely &#8211; with many more stops available in the 1900 route.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Indeed, throughout the 1800s train stops were so ubiquitous that there were constant route changes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For example, as Steven Johnson notes in his book <em>Lost Railways of County Derry,<\/em> the Magilligan to Magilligan Point route earned notoriety as the shortest-lived passenger line in Ireland, functioning only from June &#8211; October 1855.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li><strong>The stops gap<\/strong><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Obviously, as a rule, the more stops a route has, the longer it takes for trains to complete a journey.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The effect can be significant. If we consider the 1855 timetable (see image below), it is possible to deduce the average speed of trains and compare those.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li>A train in 1855 took 15 minutes to travel the 6 and \u00be miles from Coleraine to Castlerock (including a stop at the Barmouth) <strong>= 27 MILES PER HOUR<\/strong><\/li><li>A train in 2022 takes 8 minutes to get from Coleraine to Castlerock (Barmouth stop has been closed) <strong>= 50 MILES PER HOUR<\/strong><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>That is one stop, in isolation, and this effect should not be extrapolated over the whole journey.<br><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"269\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-23034\" srcset=\"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42.png 269w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42-224x300.png 224w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42-49x65.png 49w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42-112x150.png 112w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42-37x50.png 37w, https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/Screenshot-2022-07-06-at-14.57.42-30x40.png 30w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 269px) 100vw, 269px\" \/><figcaption><em>Image via Foyle &amp; District Model Railway Society<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Sources for this fact check include:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul><li><em>Ireland (part I.): Northern Counties, Including Dublin and Neighbourhood, Part 1 <\/em>MJB, Baddeley (London: Soho Square, 1890)<\/li><li><em>Lost Railways of County Derry<\/em>, by Steven Johnson (Catrine : Stenlake, 2002)<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Archival photographs from the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum, with kind permission of National Museums Northern Ireland, and Foyle &amp; District Model Railway Society Facebook. With thanks to Ciar\u00e1n Cooney at the Irish Railway Archives; the Irish Railway Record Society, Heuston Station, Dublin; and the Foyle Valley Railway Museum.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On BBC Radio Ulster\u2019s show Talkback on June 9, during a discussion about the impact of Brexit and EU funding on Northern Ireland, Dr Ben Habib said: &#8220;I feel really bad for Northern Ireland. 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