{"id":2054,"date":"2018-08-30T17:11:33","date_gmt":"2018-08-30T17:11:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/?p=2054"},"modified":"2022-02-26T12:43:50","modified_gmt":"2022-02-26T12:43:50","slug":"are-a-third-of-coi-ministry-candidates-women","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/factcheckni.org\/topics\/education\/are-a-third-of-coi-ministry-candidates-women\/","title":{"rendered":"Are a third of CoI ministry candidates women?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

A quarter of CoI accepted and enrolled candidates are women. For the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, its figures of less than 4% female candidates are considerably lower than the phrase \u201cdon\u2019t have nearly as many women as men\u201d would suggest. For the Methodist Church in Ireland, a third of its candidates are women.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Speaking on the radio during a discussion about attracting people to work in vocational Christian ministry across Ireland, the Church of Ireland\u2019s Revd Canon William A Murphy said that \u201capproximately a third of our [ministry] candidates would be women\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The convenor of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland\u2019s Ministerial Studies and Development Committee Rev Andrew Faulkner said, \u201cWe wouldn\u2019t have nearly as many women as men applying or training or serving in churches\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The conversation took place during a segment of Sunday Sequence on BBC Radio Ulster on Sunday, 5 August 2018, and was part of the Everyday Ethics podcast<\/a>. Presenter Roisin McAuley asked [15:56] whether the training of women [for ordination] \u201chas helped in terms of numbers\u201d:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ministers for the Church of Ireland are trained at the Theological Institute<\/a> in Dublin. The church\u2019s press office supplied us with requested figures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Over the past five years (data for 2018 unavailable), 23.4% of ministry accepted candidates for the Church of Ireland were female<\/b> (11 out of 47).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Likewise, over the same period, 24 out of 98 enrolled students were female (24.5%).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These figures are closer to a quarter, less than the \u201cthird\u201d that Murphy declared on the radio programme.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Presbyterian Church in Ireland training<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

For the Presbyterian Church in Ireland, on the radio programme Faulker said: \u201cWe don\u2019t have nearly as many women as men applying or training or serving in churches.\u201d The presenter did not ask Faulkner for a more precise figure or proportion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Council for Training in Ministry<\/a> (and its predecessor, the Board of Christian Training) oversees ministry students within the Presbyterian Church in Ireland (PCI) and bring a report to the annual General Assembly held in Belfast each year in the first week of June.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The reports for the last five years<\/a> are available on the PCI website and include a list of students \u201caccepted as students for the Ordained Ministry\u201d (2014<\/a>, 2015<\/a>, 2016<\/a>, 2017<\/a>, 2018<\/a>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Over the past five years, 3.2% of ministry candidates entering the Presbyterian Church in Ireland\u2019s training programme have been female<\/b> (1 out of 31).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Likewise, over the same period, 3 out of 79 enrolled students were female (3.8%).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These figures are considerably lower than the phrase \u201cdon\u2019t have nearly as many women as men\u201d would suggest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Methodist Church in Ireland training<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Although not represented during the Sunday Sequence radio programme, we investigated figures for ministry training for the Methodist Church in Ireland, on this point of female candidates.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ministers for the Methodist Church in Ireland are trained at Edgehill Theological College<\/a> in Belfast. The annual Minutes of Conference list the names of students in each year of study. While not available to view online, the Minutes are archived by the Methodist Historical Society of Ireland<\/a>, whose material is open to to the public.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Over the past five years, 38% of candidates for the Methodist Church of Ireland have been female<\/b> (5 out of 13).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Likewise, over the same period, 8 out of 24 enrolled students were female (33.3%).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is the Methodist Church in Ireland who can claim that a third of their ministry candidates are female.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Conclusion<\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n

From the information provided to us from the Church of Ireland, their female acceptance rate is closer to one-in-four (23.4%) than one-in-three (\u201capproximately a third\u201d). We conclude that the claim is inaccurate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For the Presbyterian Church of Ireland, on one hand it is technically accurate to say that it doesn\u2019t have \u201cnearly as many women as men\u201d (i.e. 50%) in training. On the other hand, at a rate of 3.2% over the past five years, it would be more accurate to say that it has \u201chardly any\u201d or \u201cvery few\u201d women in ministry training (1 out of 31).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There was no claim made by or about the female candidates for ministry at the Methodist Church of Ireland. Yet our analysis reveals that of the three largest Protestant denominations in Ireland, it has the highest rate, at 38.5%.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

As a matter of interest, the Church of Ireland has ordained women as priests and bishops since 1990<\/a>; the Presbyterian Church in Ireland has ordained women since 1973<\/a>; and the Methodist Church in Ireland has ordained women since 1978<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

 <\/td>Ministry training acceptances <\/b>
(start September):<\/b><\/td>		 <\/td><\/tr>
 <\/td>
<\/b>2014<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2015<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2016<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2017<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2018<\/b><\/td>		2014-<\/b>
<\/b>2018<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
CoI Female<\/b><\/td>3<\/td>4<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>\u2013<\/td>11<\/b><\/td>23.4%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
CoI Male<\/b><\/td>12<\/td>9<\/td>4<\/td>11<\/td>\u2013<\/td>36<\/b><\/td>76.6%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
PCI Female<\/b><\/td>1<\/td>0<\/td>0<\/td>0<\/td>0<\/td>1<\/b><\/td>3.2%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
PCI Male<\/b><\/td>11<\/td>7<\/td>4<\/td>4<\/td>4<\/td>30<\/b><\/td>96.8%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
MCI Female<\/b><\/td>1<\/td>0<\/td>0<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>5<\/b><\/td>38.5%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
MCI Male<\/b><\/td>3<\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>1<\/td>0<\/td>8<\/b><\/td>61.5%<\/b><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n
 <\/td>In ministry training <\/b>
(September-June):<\/b><\/td>		 <\/td><\/tr>
 <\/td>
<\/b>2013-14
<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2014-15
<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2015-16
<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2016-17
<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2017-18
<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>2013-18
<\/b><\/td>
<\/b>%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
CoI Female<\/b><\/td>13<\/td>13<\/td>10<\/td>9<\/td>8<\/td>24<\/b><\/td>24.5%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
CoI Male<\/b><\/td>38<\/td>40<\/td>34<\/td>25<\/td>24<\/td>74<\/b><\/td>75.5%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
PCI Female<\/b><\/td>2<\/td>2<\/td>1<\/td>0<\/td>0<\/td>3<\/b><\/td>3.8%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
PCI Male<\/b><\/td>39<\/td>47<\/td>35<\/td>26<\/td>17<\/td>76<\/b><\/td>96.2%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
MCI Female<\/b><\/td>5<\/td>5<\/td>2<\/td>0<\/td>2<\/td>8<\/b><\/td>33.3%<\/b><\/td><\/tr>
MCI Male<\/b><\/td>8<\/td>7<\/td>7<\/td>6<\/td>4<\/td>16<\/b><\/td>66.7%<\/b><\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Image: Rev. Dr Heather MORRIS<\/a>. CC BY Brian O’NEILL<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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